How do u think about Taiwan's president??
I'm taiwanese. 9/9 was a important of taiwan. People here, taiwan, want to outfit the President. how do u think about this. I live in taiwan, just want to know how the oversea think. is it something like a joke.? Or just a civil strife ? Or something else ........ ---a student in taiwan
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The Blues don't care about democracy, they just want to get back their seat of power again so they can go back to their corrupt practices. They are making up and finding as many ways as they can to try and get their way. If they succeed, then Taiwan will go down in history as another joke of a democracy, just like the Philipines or South American democracies. Bian is a blessing for the Taiwanese people. Too bad so many are too dumb to realize it. I hope all the protesters can go to jail someday if someone they are related to or an in-law is accused of a crime, because, of course it must be their fault! What idiots. Why can't they respect their constitutional methods? Because they are immoral people who don't care whose neck they step on to get their way and money. Go move to China losers, and let the honest Taiwanese people (which Bian is) live a humane life. I hope you enjoy those murderous rulers in China! Hey, they are just like the KMT anyway. (a response to Jason) It's good to have free discussion here, although it's unfair to term my viewpoint as not broad, I'm looking into a greater history and internationally. Mob rule is not a democracy. There is a system of justice and order in Taiwan. There is absolutely a method to find out if the president did something wrong and how to remove him, for is not one innocent until proven guilty? People do have a choice to change a ruler, but they must wait until the election. If you can't follow these basic steps, the democracy is breaking down. Just because popularity polls are low doesn't mean one must leave office. Do you think George Bush left office when his popularity rating was as low as Bian's? Did Clinton leave office over his scandal? Nixon left office because they were starting articles of impeachment, and knew, since it would be proven, that they would be successful. Just because something is "popular" does not mean it is right. A majority of Americans in the 1950s thought segregation was a good thing, but the U.S. Supreme court ruled otherwise. In the 1920s, most voting Americans (men) thought women shouldn't vote, but the state legislatures thought otherwise and passed the Amendment allowing women to vote. If people can't respect their constitution, then it means nothing. There is a way to remove Bian from office if he actually did something wrong. But if he did not actually do something wrong, he should not step down just because people don't like him (which is partially based on a cleverly planned political even)t? Shih is very much a Blue now, BTW. He's just like Sissy Chen. Also, the KMT had far worse and provable corruption when they were in office, how come they never bothered to step down? How come they didn't leave office when people protested....oh, that's right, you'd disappear if you protested. Chiang was a criminal and a murdeous thug (this is easily proven); but he deserves statues all over Taiwan? If Bian should step down based on current rationale, then the KMT and PFP (based on their member's history) should dissolve (perhaps move to China) and let the TSU and DPP run a free, honest, uncorrupt, and independent Taiwan. If the KMT and their spin-off parties can't even admit their wrongs through history, they really don't deserve anyones respect. Even in the U.S. we've admitted past wrongs (slavery, american indians, vietnam, etc.) Many of us have already started apologizing for Iraq. Bian's only error was to allow Blue members into his Cabinet and Administration. He should have immediately tried to rid the government of the corruption that the KMT had carried on with for so many years. Julius Ceasar "reached out" to his enemies. Look how they returned the favor.
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Clearly, Composer is a die-hard support of the Green/DPP party, which I respect. We are all entitled to our opinions. But let’s not be too harsh with others who may not share the same view, shall we? The “if you’re not with me, you’re my enemy†rhetoric is a true hallmark of dictatorships. Now, let’s try to look at the “Depose Bian†movement with broader perspective. At some level, we all must agree that Taiwan has not been a better place during the 6 years under Bian’s rule. Granted, we saw many changes, for better or worse. But the general truth is that people are not happy. I know Bian’s supporter will blame the global economy, the KMT’s corruption, etc. But can we honestly say that Bian has absolutely no responsibility in this? Can a ruler escape all responsibility of his people’s well-being? No, a democracy, by definition, is that the people govern themselves. And when the people are not satisfied with how they’re being governed, they have the absolute right to change the ruler. The only difference in opinion is the method in which the people can change their ruler. Some insist that the constitution and laws must be followed. This is generally true in all democratic nations. However, the laws will only be followed to the extent of people’s faith and trust in the laws. In other words, when people cease to trust that the law will protect them, or when the law is only used to the benefit of people in powers, then you CANNOT expect people to obey the laws. The DPP must know this, as they are the inventors of public movements in Taiwan. I admire those DPP leaders who fought and suffered for the cause they believed in, the cause which they believed is to the benefit of all people in Taiwan. So, when only 18% of the people is satisfied with Bian’s performance, how can the DPP now disavowal the very same method they fought and gain power? They must realize that it’s NOT the minority of the people now wants a change in power, it’s the MAJORITY. Why would they sacrifice the people’s trust in them, only for the benefit of ONE man? We’re not talking about the opposing parties trying to grab powers – Shih is obviously not Blue, and Ma does not want to become the president before 2008. We are talking about the majority people who are dissatisfied with Bian! How can they be so blind not to see that? The numbers are there in plain sight. I think the “Depose Bian†movement is democracy at it’s best. People’s will cannot be denied. After all, they ARE the true rulers of the land. When a president has lost trust of its people, he is but a dictator waiting to be overthrown. Bian’s statement that he cannot “tolerate†the movement past 10/10 shows his true colors. Democracy cannot succeed without truth, and truth is something Bian lacks. (response to Compoer’s response) Mob rule is not a democracy… Well, you really have to think carefully on this one. In an election, the majority prevails, correct? Then why should the majority ONLY prevail during an election, and not any other time? Mob do not form simply because of historical hatred or personal dislikes, it’s when a large group of people feel they have no other way to change the ways. All revolutions were started out by “mobs.†French and Russian did it, followed closely by Dr. Sun and his following “mobs†who overthrown the corrupt and oppressive Ching dynasty. There is an absolute method to find out if Bian did anything wrong? I can only admire your undying faith in the Taiwanese legal system, and the innocence of human nature. The prosecutors and auditors have been frustrated by Bian’s administration’s constant obstruction of the investigation. And remember Bian is a lawyer himself. Do you honestly believe that he is innocent enough to let anything happen to him? If you’re to take a bribe, or misappropriate funds, would you be “honest†enough to use your own personal accounts? Of course not – you’d use your family and trusted friends’ accounts. Just look at how rich people around Bian have gotten over the years. At worst, he’s behind all this. At best, he is negligent to let them happen. Either of which more than justified the “mob.†Democracy is not broken when constitution is not followed – it’s only a law, albeit a supreme law. But it’s not something that is carved in stone or a divine edict. Constitution itself does not create nor guarantee democracy. Rather, it’s the people's ability to govern themselves that makes a country democratic. When people are being governed against their wills and well beings, it’s oppression. And when oppression is severe enough, revolution follows. History has provided us with ample lessons in this. And you mentioned the US Supreme Court issued those historical rulings by following the Constitution. But consider the historical and social background more carefully, then you will see that the Supreme Court used the Constitution to eliminate oppressions. Had it not done that, people would have sought other means to change things. Just look at the Civil Rights Movements in the 60’s. They were surely mobs by definition, but they’ve changed America for the better. KMT paid their price for their corruption – they were voted out in 2000, remember? Let’s hope they’ve learnt their lesson and do a better job should they regain power in the future. But this line of logic is simply flawed – just because KMT was corrupt, we should overlook Bian’s (alleged) corruption and ineptness in governing? I admit that KMT may have done things that will be negatively remembered by history. But the point is, all that is HISTORY. The fact is, people are not happy with their lives – they are barely making enough money to sustain themselves. And when they saw the people in power became billionaires, you can’t blame them for becoming “mobs.†Bian’s failure is not letting the “blue†members remain in his administration. This is not something the “blue†framed him for. He brought this on to himself. I am not a KMT supporter, nor a DPP supporter. I see things as they are. If Bian keeps believing that he was framed by the “blueâ€, and he has absolutely no responsibility in this, I fear he only accomplished in destroying people’s faith in DPP. (I remember there was a time I really believed they'd do great things for the people and this land.)
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